Wednesday, February 19, 2014

From nothing came infinity

What was there before the Big Bang?  Did all these come out of something, or out of nothing at all?

Won't it be awesome if humans figured this out?  That question has probably been driving us humans crazy ever since we started to think. How did we get here is, to me, far more exciting and challenging, and mysterious compared to why we are here. When it comes to the why, I am far more tempted to explain it with George Carlin's answer!  

As Stephen Hawking observed (at least, in my understanding of his book) time itself began only with that biggest of bangs the universe has ever known. What was there before means that even the word before does not apply--there was no time prior to the Bang.  Aaaaah!  But, dammit, where did the Bang come from?

We may never, ever find out. Isn't that a shame!  A tragedy. I am with Neil DeGrasse Tyson--I would love it it if some superior life form on some other planet knew the answer and could tell us--but, I would probably be dead before that happens, and won't do me any good.

Other than the curiosity aspect of it all, does it matter even one bit whether or not we figure out the cosmos before that Singularity?  But, dammit, what an awesome thing it will be to crack that puzzle.

Different religions and traditions have their own narratives on how all these came about. Growing up as a curious kid in a traditional, Hindu Brahmin family, I got more than the typical dose of the religious and philosophical explanations compared to most, I would think.  It was that curiosity that led me to "shunyam."  Shunyam is not zero.  Zero is something specific. It is neither a positive number nor a negative number.  Zero, thus, represents a value.  It is "poojyam."

Shunyam is more like null. Empty. Vaccuum. I have a vague recollection of a Vedic chant that was about this Shunyam. But then maybe I am imagining it.

The Rig Veda has a wonderful hymn that deals with Creation, and this site has a translation by Wendy Doniger--yes, that same controversial Doniger.  Set aside the controversy, and focus on the content here:
There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
What stirred?
Where?
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottlemlessly deep?

There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.

Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.

Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.

Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.

Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?

Whence this creation has arisen
- perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not -
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps even He does not know.
I love the "perhaps even He does not know."

The old tradition in the old country recognized that from that nothing came about the infinite. While the world salutes India for inventing the zero, I am not sure if the world outside of India was familiar with the concept of infinity either.

The rhythmic and mellifluous chant of this couplet is a sheer joy to listen to in a real world setting:
puranam adah, purnam idam, purnat purnam udacyate
purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate.
which translates to:
That is infinite, this is infinite;
From That infinite this infinite comes.
From That infinite, this infinite removed or added;
Infinite remains infinite
Of course, the infinite that is referred to here is way more than mathematical concept, and if often interpreted through hours and hour of lectures that are devoted to each and every word in the couplet.

What always has impressed me, and continues to impress me, despite the atheist that I am, is that the Vedantic text and discourses in the old country made that wonderful and powerful link between nothing and infinity, and attempted to provide a narrative on how everything came about.

Here we are, a couple of thousand years later, struggling to figure out a narrative that is not merely based on conjectures but on evidence.  It is a frustrating project, I would think, to those in the quest for the answer via evidence and for people like me who would like to understand that evidence.  But, hey, that quest is not for nothing. Wait, it is for nothing!


7 comments:

Anonymous said...

I got reminded of Bharat Ek Khoj - that used to air on Doordarshan when I was a kid. You would have probably left for the 'new country' by then. This is the title track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0dSAngKdgU
- Ajay

Anonymous said...

And this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YATqDtzLh18
- Ajay

Anonymous said...

Just relaized that it's the same chant!

Sriram Khé said...

I am not sure if the poster will come back here to check for any follow-up ...
In any case, thanks for the audio of the Hymn of Creation.

At a different site, a piece had a Carl Sagan Cosmos video clip ... turns out that I could have completely outsourced my blog post over to him! Damn, that guy and his show were great. Maybe it is time I re-watched the entire Cosmos series ...
Here is that clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNzlfYJaaCg#t=73

Ajay said...

Hi Dr. Khe,

This is Ajay, the pos(t)er from earlier. I am a regular reader of your blog, for quite some time now. Have to post anonymously from office because of no google account access (data privacy policies et al). Working from home today so posting from google account.

While on Carl Sagan, there's an interview between Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking and Arhtur C. Clarke - which might also be of interest to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKQQAv5svkk

I'll watch the link you shared.

Regards,
Ajay

Ramesh said...

That is a deep post. Have to get back to serious reading of your blog when back home to intelligently comment on this.

Sriram Khé said...

Oh, hey, thanks for additional note, Ajay. I have bookmarked that video for weekend watching. Should be a delight with those three people. My, what a panel!

Ramesh, you have a good excuse for not being a serious student at this blog at this time, when you are seriously on to something else. But, if you do return to this post, yes, will be neat to continue the conversation.